Why Are The Goths Aloud To Drink In The Street

Letter submitted by email

Several years ago on a visit to Whitby we were told by the landlord of a local public house that if we continued to drink in the street and not move back inside the pub that the police would be called. We were causing no harm to anyone and just wanted to enjoy the fresh air and scenery.

Upon my next visit to Whitby I saw roughly 100+ goths drinking in the street outside 2 public houses on the upper end of Flowergate. I have nothing against the goths, they seem to really liven up Whitby. However I do wonder why the local landlords and constabulary work on a policy of double standards when it comes to the goths.

It appears to be a case of one rule for them and another rule for all other visitors to the town. Whay should this be, as I for one do not think it is very fair at all.

Yours Sincerely

Andrew Kermorgan

Swanwick, Derbyshire

12 Responses to "Why Are The Goths Aloud To Drink In The Street"

  1. Insp Grange  April 6, 2011 at 10:45 am

    I am not aware of any problems around upper Flowergate or any street drinking taking place. If we receive any complaints or observe any such practice then we would deal with the issue.

    However at this point it is worth explaining the law. Yes Whitby Town has a desginated public place order which in effect gives power to the police to confiscate alcohol from persons consuming alcohol in this area. There are exemptions such as where the exterior of a premise has a premises license for a particular area e.g seating area outside a public house. There is no actual offence until someone refuses to surrender their alcohol. It is purely an order to give the police power to confiscate.

    In cases where we have large numbers or persons drinking then we make operational decisions as to whether to send in officers to use the power based on number of complaints if there is a risk of violence or anti social behaviour etc..

    What I will say that in such circumstances I would always look to the licensed premises to resolve the problem and ensure that they do not allow this to happen. If their customers are allowed to leave premises and are causing increased anti social behaviour then the license could be reviewed under licensing legislation. In addition I would not consider it good for business to serve customers allow them to go outside then find the police have confiscated the drink. I do not think that the customers would be happy especially when they maybe a visitor to the town and not aware of the order that is in place.

  2. Ivy  April 14, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    There are no double standards on this matter. Goths have to and do abide to the rules of the public house along with the rest of the world. I would also like to point out that there is no trouble from the goths (even when they did drink on the street) unlike the problems that arise on a regatta weekend or folk week. (Which does seem to have a dress code of white t shirt and tin of lager in hand, shortly followed by rubished dumped on the floor or in the sea, at least the goths are clean and respectful).

  3. Lynda  April 14, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Goths used to drink on the street in Flowergate, because the two pubs concerned welcome Goths every year, this is no longer a problem because the police put a stop to Goths drinking outside these pubs 2 years ago. Goths never cause fuss, cause fights, make lots of mess, they just parade about, all ages together having a great time in a lovely place. So please leave them alone, they are only around for a couple of times each year and they do bring cash to the town.

  4. admin  April 14, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Well said Lynda and Ivy. I love the goths and Whitby would be a much poorer place without them (and not just in terms of money).

  5. J.G.Harston  April 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Who are The Goths Aloud? A spin-off from Girls Aloud?

  6. M  April 17, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Grange, why shouldn’t people enjoy their alcoholic beverages in a public place where they can enjoy the air and Whitby’s beautiful scenery? Fight for your rights!


  7. tsuchan  October 11, 2011 at 9:20 am

    I was one of those who used to stand with a pint and chat with Goth visitors, twice a year, outside The Elsinor on Flowergate. It was a great atmosphere, a chance to meet interesting people and enjoy the diversity.

    Then the police put a stop to that particular activity, so I no longer take part. Take away the atmosphere and you take away the people. Is it my imagination, or are the number or visitors dwindling year by year?

    And by the way, Insp Grange, to answer your comment on a point of common sense:
    > I would not consider it good for business to serve customers
    > allow them to go outside then find the police have confiscated the drink”…

    …Do you really think that anyone who has a drink taken away from them would blame anybody other than the person or organisation who took it away? Some mis-conception of human nature there, methinks.

  8. admin  October 11, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Tom Brodrick shared with me some pictures and stories of the goths from outside the Elsinore. The pics look excellent and show people having a good time. I dont recall ever hearing of any trouble yet Im led to believe the goths are now firmly discouraged from congregating in the street outside the Elsinore. Why should this be ?

  9. marge  October 11, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    I would assume allowing goths to drink outside on the street but banning other groups from doing so would expose unwanted double standards.

    It’s a shame as it does get crowded inside those particular hostelries, but of course people now have to step outside to smoke so there’s still plenty of inebriated revellers outside pubs, just not with actual drinks in hand.

  10. jones  November 4, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    its not the goths thats the problem

    its the attitude of local traders from the shops through to hotels…

    Ive been ripped off by two shops and one hotel has a manager like Basil Fawlty with no redeaming qualities at all.

    in order to endure whitby you not only have to drink in the pubs …but anywhere you can..

    and thats down to the negative attitude and arrogance of some local traders who think its their god given right to do it….hope they go bust

  11. shirl  November 4, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    hope you alldont mind me asking this when is the november goth weekend thank you so much

  12. admin  November 4, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    It was this weekend Shirl. Lots of pics at this link :



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