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NYCC, Joe Plant, Mini Monsterz And £113,000

Say No To Joe Plant North Yorkshire County Council Double Dipper

Real Whitby – Just say No To Tory Boy Joe Plant, Serial Double Dipper And Totally Invisible In His Ward. Who even Is Joe Plant ??

On Friday 19th April 2013, the Whitby Gazette published an article entitled “North Yorkshire County Council admits Me Too! Scheme was flawed”.

The article refers to a summarised redaction of the report provide by North Yorkshire County Council Head of Legal & Democratic Services and Monitoring Officer Carole DUNN, after two years of persistent requests under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

The Whitby Gazette article, having outlined one or two of the administrative shortcomings surrounding the roll-out of the “Me Too!” Voucher Scheme (intended to provide extracurricular learning-opportunities to under-privileged school-children at a 75% discount, but described by one County Councillor as “a licence to print money”), continues by citing the following snippet from the report:

“The controls in the scheme did not provide effective limitation of the nature and cost of provision by providers resulting in the submission of one very high claim.”

It goes on to report that there had been a payment to Esk Leisure for £113,822.

What the Whitby Gazette article omits to lay bear is that the provider referred to as ‘Esk Leisure’ is rather better known as “Mini Monsterz” – where the opportunity to paint pots attracted many “Me Too!” Voucher users. One wonders how many kids have to paint how many pots to run up a bill of £113,822 (if the pot-painting ran out at £10 a time, 11,382 kids must presumably have had a go!) – or, indeed, how legitimate an “extracurricular learning-opportunity” pot-painting actually is (as compared, say, to swimming lessons, photography, conversational French, model-engineering, or whatever).

The Gazette article also neglects to mention the circumstances in which Mini Monsterz achieved approved provider status, on whose decision, and with what background checks. It also omits to mention the identity of the County Councillor – a member of the NYCC Children & Young People Scrutiny Committee – who, according to two  School Governors and an informer within NYCC, pressed NYCC for settlement of a considerably larger amount than anticipated when NYCC suspended payments pending investigation.

In County Councillor Joe PLANT’s own words (in an email dated 2nd April 2011):

  • “I also brought to the attention of the council that some providers were not being paid as the rumour was there was not enough money in the pot, one of which was the provider that my son is married into the family.”

Only when County Councillor Joe PLANT’s family relationship to the Mini Monsterz emerged did he declare a personal interest in that business, in virtue of his son’s marital status (husband of the business-operators’ daughter). That was on 16th February 2011 – fourteen months after County Councillor Joe PLANT had promoted the “Me Too!” Vouchers Scheme in the Gazette of 25th November 2009 in the following words:

  • “The Me Too vouchers are there for you and to help you. In the simplest terms use them or lose them.”

County Councillor Joe PLANT held an undisclosed personal interest for over a year, finally making his required-by-law declaration only when the astonishing extent of the Scheme’s many abuses, including forgery and fraud, were already under investigation by NYCC.

In the same email as quoted above, County Councillor Joe PLANT conceded that:

  • “Vouchers are photo copied, forged and even sold on to other people.”

Clearly, County Councillor Joe PLANT’s position in respect of his conduct regarding the “Me Too!” Voucher Scheme is completely untenable. He failed to declare a disclosable personal interest for 14 months. He lobbied on behalf of providers – residents of another division (County Councillor Jane KENYON’s division) – for payment, although forgery and fraud had already been identified within the delivery of the Scheme. And yet since 3rd April 2011, he has refused point-blank to account for his actions, stating:

  • “Please note that this has being[sic] copied into the Legal Officer of the County Council and any further emails on this matter will be passed on and I will reply in the same manner.”

County Councillor Joe PLANT responded to the ‘Transparency Pledge’ Questionnaire (September 2010)  thus:

  • “Nigel.  Like I have always done  I DO uphold the PM’s statement calling for transparency.  But to clarify I stick within the code of conduct.  Joe –   Cllr Joe Plant”

“Me Too!” articles:

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/extended-schools-extended-profits

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/nycc-extended-schools-part-2

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/me-too-vouchers-part-3-of-4

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/whitbys-own-woolasgate-me-too-4a

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/me-too-a-mystery-of-many-parts

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/me-too-councillor-plant-protesteth-too-much

and

http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/local/councillors-cleared-of-double-dipping-slur-1-5066468

This Gazette article quotes Councillor Joe PLANT, thus:

  • “As this has to go through NYCC standards committee I cannot comment further. When that decision is known I will give a frank and honest statement about the whole issue”.

NYCC’s Standards Committee Decision Notice was published six months ago – on the next working-day following the Whitby Gazette article – but County Councillor Joe PLANT’s “frank and honest statement” has yet to materialise.

The comments section of this article is intended to be a public record of the work, good or bad, that this Councillor has done on behalf of the public. Please post only factual comments relating to County Councillor Joe PLANT’s past conduct so that the public can judge if he is worth re-electing.

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  1. Gary Ludlow April 21, 2013 at 1:46 pm - Reply

    Whitby Cllr Joe Plant
    Encouraging people, your electorate, to go to the police because you think that the police will not prosecute you does not make you a stand up guy.
    It makes you a stand up Comedian!
    Try being a stand up guy for once, Councillor or no Councillor.
    Reading between the lines it is perfectly, obviously clear that your involvement with the Mee-Too fiasco was dreadful.
    In your position as Chair of the “NYCC Young People Scrutiny Committee who had “oversight of the initiative” you had a golden opportunity to ensure that at least in your council ward, in fact the entire area of Whitby, you could have made up a list of suitable activities, it would have taken you an hour or two, a very worthwhile and personally satisfying public role.
    Instead, from what I can read between the lines, you were involved in a £100,000 scam that brought the whole scheme not only into disrepute, but left many people angry. Instead of a wholesome feeling of a job well done the £100,000 plus claimed by one local business, I believe an extended family member of yours almost brought the entire scheme to its knees across the whole of North Yorkshire. Again from what I understand from the article, you then had the nerve as a North Yorkshire Councillor and Chair of the ‘NYCC Young People Scrutiny Committee’ to actually personally chase up the enormous payment?
    Also claiming such a huge amount for a single Broadband connection.
    And all you have to say is “go to the police”.
    Try being a stand up guy for once and defend yourself against such allegations properly.

    Are you still Chair of the “NYCC Young People Scrutiny Committee?

    If you are still Chair how can that be?

    Why are you standing again as a NYCC Whitby Councillor after such a performance?

    We look forward to your reply.

  2. Gary Ludlow April 21, 2013 at 2:03 pm - Reply

    Cllr Joe Plant Whitby
    I also read on this web site that you are paid approx £750 each year for Broadband Connection & IT. You claim £500 as a Whitby Councillor for North Yorkshire County Council.
    Yet you also claim a large sum of money for Broadband Connection whilst being a Scarborough Borough Councillor.
    That amounts to £750 each and every year for something that costs approx £330.
    If I were a councillor I would feel very dishonest, a cheat, a thief, disingenuous, I wouldn’t sleep at night. In fact I would pay every penny back that I had claimed, every single penny over and above what it cost me each month for broadband connection.
    In fact I wouldn’t claim a single penny for broadband connection, tax payers money, because when I became a councillor I already had broadband connection in my home and would have connection anyway, whether I was a councillor or not.
    Councillor Joe Plant are you not ashamed of yourself or will you be able to give Real Whitby a simple explanation for your behaviour?
    We all look forward to your reply. I certainly will NOT BE VOTING for you again if this is the way you have WASTED my vote!

  3. Andrea Smith April 21, 2013 at 2:19 pm - Reply

    This is quite sickening to read. There should be no need for anyone to go to the police. the Police should be kicking Joe Plants door down. If this is true then the man and his wider family are crooks. How on earth does this man get elected anyway ? Who on earth is he ? where is he ? Ive never ever even seen him in town. The man is beyond belief, a slimy greasy politician in every sense of the word. Heres a prime example of this mans game plan, He never had anything to do with getting the bridge back on the west pier, The save Whitby Piers Facebook page got people together and the real Whitby petition put pressure on the council. Then when the bridge is replaced upsteps plant to get his ugly mug in the paper stood on the west pier bridge. Him and Stokoe were up each others backends. Neither of them have done anything worthwhile for this town. Plant Out

    • Gary Ludlow April 21, 2013 at 2:55 pm - Reply

      VOTE GREASY CONS JOE PLANT OUT…….
      That’s a fact Andrea, I’ve never seen him, Joe Plant, on the streets of Whitby West Cliff ever! I’ve never ever seen a campaign he’s involved in. He had nothing to do with the repairs to the Swing Bridge, and whilst on Scarborough Borough Council he just stood back and watched it deteriorate. Ah, lets not forget the £400,000 wasted on the so called Beach Management Centre………. and the delapidation of the entire Whitby Westcliff Ward inc the pier, his ward, Cons Joe Plant’s ward, the Cons Party’s only hope.
      How was it Cllr Joe Plant that you’d get your mug in the paper besides projects you had NOTHING to do with?
      Why did you not include those members of the public who had worked so hard on Council matters.
      YES WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?
      Especially without your Cons Club partner, Ex WG Editor J Stokoe pushing your mug shot whilst you were claiming credit for projects that had nothuing to do with you.
      VOTE NYCC COUNCILLOR JOE PLANT OUT, yes a greasy manipulative councillor.
      Whitby doesn’t need Councillors who behave like crooks.
      JOE PLANT. I couldn’t give a monkey’s how HOW BORN AND BRED AND LOCAL YOU ARE.
      That does not make you a councillor so stop hiding behind it. I’d prefer a man from bloody Mars.
      Tell us instead how being born in a geographical location qualifies you to be a councillor.
      What are your qualifications in life anyway??

    • ulysses April 21, 2013 at 3:16 pm - Reply

      I think you will find that J Stokoe has done a great deal for this town, moreso than I suspect you have.

      • Andrea Smith April 21, 2013 at 10:12 pm - Reply

        Yeah I can just hear the conversation now. “Hi Joe, we know you have had nothing to do with the west pier bridge, but get yourself down there for the photoshoot tomorrow and we will get you all over the front page on Friday”. Helping to keep his conservative club associates at the trough is surely his only contribution to this town.

      • Tim Thorne April 21, 2013 at 10:35 pm - Reply

        Is Jon Stokoe a Conservative? I never knew…

      • Gary Ludlow April 21, 2013 at 11:16 pm - Reply

        We are all aware of what WG Editor John did for this town, he’s a nice guy, a great guy. But he failed to publish any news that put a Conservative County Councillor or Borough Councillors in a bad light where they deserved it. This in turn has covered up many scams & schemes that may have put Whitby back 10 years.
        That was Johns problem, a lovely guy, not a good quality as a news paper editor. Hence it’s all coming out in Real Whitby and via Private Eye. PRIVATE EYE!

  4. Gary Ludlow April 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm - Reply

    Joe Plant is not a clever lad at all and has absolutely no qualifications in life to be an effective councillor. Born & Bred, what the f*** is that supposed to mean.
    Tell us what you did after you were born and bred Cllr Plant, appart from spend much of your time leaning against a car wash machine on the garage as you enter Whitby.
    We have schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, health care………………….
    Who is Cllr Joe Plant? What life qualifications does he have……..
    What projects has he been involved in?
    Here’s one, the MeeToo Vouchers £113,000 pocketed by local firm almost bringing the whole childrens scheme down, whilst Cllr Plant was chair of a committee involved.
    Come on Cllr Plant, talk to us? Surely we deserve a response! Are we not electorate enouogh for your personal cause!

  5. andrea smith April 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm - Reply

    Maybe hes down the cop shop

    • Gary Ludlow April 22, 2013 at 12:31 am - Reply

      Are you down the cop shop Joe. Don’t forget to tell them you are Born and Bred in Whitby followed by the truth.

  6. Yorkie Gull April 21, 2013 at 9:38 pm - Reply

    Joe Plants Mr Nice Guy smile on his election brochure puts over a image of trust & Honesty or is he thinking of how many times he can dip if he is re-elected?

  7. Andrea Smith April 21, 2013 at 10:29 pm - Reply

    Can someone confirm if this is true ? I heard that the children of a local lottery winner (£6m) were using the vouchers. If this scheme was for underprivileged children in the town why were they being used by the extremely wealthy ? Maybe Mr Plant can let us know how this was allowed to happen. Come on Joe you have been quiet for a while now, this is a site used by a lot of Whitby people, people who you want to vote for you, so please lets hear how the Me Too Voucher Scheme ended up in such a state of disarray ?

    • Gary Ludlow April 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm - Reply

      SAY NO TO JOE!

      Pass it on quick.

  8. Andrea Smith April 21, 2013 at 10:32 pm - Reply

    £113000 Joe, that could have been spent on local services, services under threat of closure from NYCC cuts. Instead it went into the pockets of your inlaws. Whats going on Joe ?

  9. Andrea Smith April 21, 2013 at 10:49 pm - Reply

    “Clearly, County Councillor Joe PLANT’s position in respect of his conduct regarding the “Me Too!” Voucher Scheme is completely untenable.

    He failed to declare a disclosable personal interest for 14 months.

    He lobbied on behalf of providers – residents of another division (County Councillor Jane KENYON’s division) – for payment, although forgery and fraud had already been identified within the delivery of the Scheme.

    And yet since 3rd April 2011, he has refused point-blank to account for his actions”

    Any comment Joe ??

  10. Gary Ludlow April 22, 2013 at 12:15 am - Reply

    Joe Plant and MeeToo really does make sickening reading.

    Do you realise Mr Plant that in your NYCC council ward, one tiny business, taking park in a scheme headed by your NYCC committee, claimed ONE HUNDRED & THIRTEEN THOUSAND POUNDS from the council in a matter of weeks. One invoice.
    That’s twenty six thousand individual childrens activities at £5.00 per activity.

    In just your tiny weeny ward alone in this remote corner of the whole of North Yorkshire, the largest county in the United Kingdom, someone (whom people say you personally know really well, like really well) invoiced the scheme you were head of as an NYCC committee chair, for a total of ONE HUNDRED & THIRTEEN THOUSAND POUNDS and YOU did not question it even though the brains and management of NYCC did.

    £113,000 in a matter of weeks.

    And you approved, some say took an active part in assisting, oiling, in fact demanding, in the North Yorkshire County Council CHAMBER in a full County Council meeting, to ensure the provider of the childrens activity, the one tiny business, was paid out £113,000 after serious concerns were raised by NYCC mnagement, thereby delaying the payment. Despite the fact that NYCC really struggled to find the money allocated for the scheme. Your family contact had brought the scheme to the point of total collapse with just one invoice.

    Is it true that you as a County Councillor and Chair of a Childrens Committee covering the entire area of the county of North Yorkshire, paid out £113,000 to a tiny business taking part in a scheme called Me Too.

    DO YOU REALISE THAT is 22,600 CHILDREN’S ACTIVITIES.

    One Activity enjoyed by TWENTY TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED CHILDREN at £5 per activity.
    What was that activity and where did the twenty two thousand children come from?

    Say No to Joe. Pass it on.

  11. Nigel Ward April 22, 2013 at 10:48 am - Reply

    According to the Mini Monterz web-site:

    http://www.minimonsterz.co.uk/whitby/prices.html

    pottery painting at the Ruswarp branch starts at £3.99 per item (no studio fee.

    £113,822 = 28,527 pots.

    The pottery page on the Scarborough branch section of the Mini Monsterz web-site is presently listed as “under development”.

    Just saying . . .

  12. rod mathers April 22, 2013 at 11:18 am - Reply

    This is obviously a police matter. Meanwhile, both NYCC and SBC should suspend Councillor Plant pending a thorough investigation. Also a Standards complaint re the non-declaration of interest. Better yet, an immediate resignation and public apology would help to salvage the reputation of the monitoring officers.

  13. Andrea Smith April 22, 2013 at 11:25 am - Reply

    I wonder what they spent the money on ? Another new house on that land perhaps, That area it Mini Mosterz is an eysore, who passed thier planning permission ?, Theres houses all over and theyve ruined that old golf course with the ugly tin sheds and fences everywhere, it looks a right mess.

    • Richard Ineson April 25, 2013 at 5:24 pm - Reply

      I agree with your comment about Minimonsterz being an eyesore, I have often wondered what the planning people can have been thinking about when they allowed this colossal carbuncle to be erected in this formerly picturesque and unspoilt riverside village.

      • Ian Detute April 29, 2013 at 8:49 pm - Reply

        Friends in low places maybe

  14. GERALD. April 22, 2013 at 11:34 am - Reply

    ‘Democracy’… for the few, as in ‘parliamentary democracy’, which only applies to the elected – the ”commons”, but none other. Utilised by the ‘bourgeois’ class, or middle class as it was termed in feudal society, also called ‘the gentry’. Reproduced throughout the country at local level, county and town-city councils.
    From the root ‘gens’ meaning clan, as that is how the ‘gentry’ organise themselves in all local areas, clannishness is the glue that holds them together, gaining money is the profession.
    There comes a point where clannishness can be broken, when the ‘gentry’ has to refuse to continue support for one or more of the local members, due to it being the only way to protect the remaining members. Some will become, the ‘outcasts’.
    Monarchy and feudalism … still in force. The eternal mixed economies.
    Under feudal society, the main tax collectors often had their own businesses, but collected taxes on the basis of a percentage of all collected….
    This was the commonality right up to the mid 1600’s, those who ‘worked’ in any capacity directly under the Monarch’s instructions, were self sufficient in business, owners of land or property, so they all utilised the percentage schemes. Its a process that is still copied.
    Under capitalism the ‘tax’ collected by any business is called ‘profit’. Privatised privateers.
    For any item bought, tax is paid to government, but also, in the form of ‘profit’, directly to the owner/s of the production process, also paid out to shareholders as ‘dividend’.
    As with any type of economics based on exploitation, they only last for a time, new economics will rise to replace the older forms.
    But neither the feudal or capitalist today have managed any new economics, just sad attempts at manipulating the existing forms, even sadder for them is the collapse of ‘religion’, where at least they could blame some god or other, for fixing society so it could never change.
    But now people actually want change, tired now of constantly seeing prices rise, clarity that the country’s economy is being ‘milked-looted’ to pay for the warmongers imperialism, growing old has now become a larger burden, yet the previous generation attempted much via the extension of pension schemes, only to see them disappear as if they had only ever been illusions. Health services are disappearing into a fog of privatisation.
    ‘Taxation’ in all its forms, is killing the country.
    Time for further development of the discussion for a new political party, and for new economics.

    • Gary Ludlow April 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm - Reply

      Completely off topic. What’s your point Gerald?

  15. Steve Old April 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm - Reply

    It’s not difficult to be honest and transparent yet all these Councillors monitoring officers drag it out digging their way in deeper and deeper, It’s just not going to go away so no point sticking your head in the sand all they do is make promises promises promises all false!! There is no where to hide the internet as arrived!

  16. Gary Ludlow April 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm - Reply

    Cllr Plant THIS IS SICKENING

    Joe Plant and MeeToo really does make sickening reading.

    Do you realise Mr Plant that in your NYCC council ward, one tiny business, taking park in a scheme headed by your NYCC committee, claimed ONE HUNDRED & THIRTEEN THOUSAND POUNDS from the council in a matter of weeks. One invoice.
    That’s twenty six thousand individual childrens activities at £5.00 per activity.

    In just your tiny weeny ward alone in this remote corner of the whole of North Yorkshire, the largest county in the United Kingdom, someone (whom people say you personally know really well, like really well) invoiced the scheme you were head of as an NYCC committee chair, for a total of ONE HUNDRED & THIRTEEN THOUSAND POUNDS and YOU did not question it even though the brains and management of NYCC did.

    £113,000 in a matter of weeks.

    And you approved, some say took an active part in assisting, oiling, in fact demanding, in the North Yorkshire County Council CHAMBER in a full County Council meeting, to ensure the provider of the childrens activity, the one tiny business, was paid out £113,000 after serious concerns were raised by NYCC mnagement, thereby delaying the payment. Despite the fact that NYCC really struggled to find the money allocated for the scheme. Your family contact had brought the scheme to the point of total collapse with just one invoice.

    Is it true that you as a County Councillor and Chair of a Childrens Committee covering the entire area of the county of North Yorkshire, paid out £113,000 to a tiny business taking part in a scheme called Me Too.

    DO YOU REALISE THAT is 22,600 CHILDREN’S ACTIVITIES.

    One Activity enjoyed by TWENTY TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED CHILDREN at £5 per activity.
    What was that activity and where did the twenty two thousand children come from?

    Say No to Joe. Pass it on.

    • bwn May 1, 2013 at 7:57 pm - Reply

      JOE PLANTS SON IS MARRIED TO MR BRIAN MOORE ( owner of mini monsterz ) DAUGHTER!!!!!!!

      WORK IT OUT

  17. Frank Chalmers April 22, 2013 at 5:50 pm - Reply

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  18. Harry Basset April 22, 2013 at 8:58 pm - Reply

    It’s come as a shock to me that Cllr Plant did not in fact overhaul the Swing Bridge on his own.

    • Gary Ludlow April 23, 2013 at 12:06 am - Reply

      As published in the Whitby Gazette Cllr Joe Plant (local born & bred) quoted as not even knowing which is the East Side from the West Side of Whitby I’m surprised he even knows where the swing bridge is.

  19. Real Whitby Webmaster April 23, 2013 at 12:31 am - Reply

    Just Say No To Joe Plant

    Just Say No To Joe

  20. Andrea Smith April 23, 2013 at 12:44 am - Reply

    Another day gone by and still no comment from Joe ? Joe, Joe, Where For Art Though Joe ?? spending the £113,000 with your in laws perhaps ?

  21. Stakesby Legs April 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm - Reply

    And another day gone by and still no comment from Frank and Honest Joe. Has he gone? Has he resigned? has he bee nicked?

  22. Joseph Hughes April 25, 2013 at 8:57 am - Reply

    I don’t think he has the brains to walk. At least we can kick him out of County Council on May 2.

  23. Richard Ineson April 25, 2013 at 12:01 pm - Reply

    An appalling and cynical exploitation of a very laudable scheme that was intended to provide disadvantaged children with an opportunity to enjoy activities which are usually denied to them.The management of the scheme, by the staff of NYCC, was a shambles, and there should definitely be a full investigation, by the police, into where all of the money went. I well remember Miss Kenyon commenting, when around £8,000 was spent on a Town Poll, expenditure, with which she did not agree, “Could not this money have been better spent on toys for deprived children and facilities for the elderly to improve their lives?”. On this occasion, this ‘me too’ money was intended for this purpose, but apparently,was just squandered. These people do not appear to have any conscience, or moral fibre, and as a consequence, are largely, unfit for public office.This just typifies the ‘complete’ Cons. and their ‘me first’ ‘let me get my snout in the trough’ attitude to life, even when the happiness of children is involved.

  24. Arndale Parr April 25, 2013 at 5:49 pm - Reply

    Richard’s mention of ‘Carbuncles’ in Ruswarp makes me wonder what was undertaken with the 50k from the community fund ‘donated’ to Esk Hydro…that shed really is hideous.
    A classic village scene ruined- with the endorsement of the Park Authority

  25. Gerald Dennett April 26, 2013 at 10:57 am - Reply
  26. Andrea Smith April 27, 2013 at 1:24 am - Reply

    Joe’s still very quiet, aren’t we due a 4am update from him anytime soon ? Been bit by any dogs lately Joseph ?

    • Joseph Hughes April 28, 2013 at 10:09 am - Reply

      Ever since I discovered the secret power of the wooden spoon I have been bite free, Andrea.

  27. Tom Brown April 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm - Reply

    Your elected Councillors who are proud to wear the Conservative,Labour and Lib Dem Rosettes are what they are . However YOU are what they think YOU ARE so VOTE UKIP and hang em latter. Any suggestions after that?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2315521/Democracy-Dont-make-laugh-This-really-goes-Town-Hall.htm

  28. GERALD. April 29, 2013 at 8:47 am - Reply

    ” Tom Brown — Your elected Councillors who are proud to wear the Conservative,Labour and Lib Dem Rosettes are what they are . However YOU are what they think YOU ARE so VOTE UKIP and hang em latter. Any suggestions after that? ”

    Many of UKIP’s members were once ‘proud’ to wear the rosettes of the Conservative, Lib-Dems and New Labour, till they became UKIP members.
    ..
    It becoming the party that expresses the ‘resurrected imperialism’, brought about by the ‘ Old Labour party of the 1970’s, when it avoided any changes in British society, at a time when the ‘old’ empire was officially to have ended.
    No empire can end, and yet continue the same structure of government, all the structure being built during the earlier period of expanding empire, specifically built to hold together and rule over the empires holdings.
    Thatcher was only a puppet of the social democrats of the Labour party.
    The Old Liberal party held the spurious theory, that ‘imperialism’ was only a policy, imposed by one five year government, removed by the next.
    The Conservative and even more the Tory party, held the position that the empire was an enormous structure, one that had to be ‘fed and serviced’ or dismantled.
    In the 1970’s, the social democrats > in direct opposition to the Labour party leaders of the 1940’s, who themselves couldn’t avoid the practical truth of the imperial edifice, that it was a structure that would take decades to dismantle and so allowed thirty years for the task<, propagandised the 'Liberal party theory'.
    And so protected the continuation of the empire.
    ..
    UKIP, which I don't support, is now being accused of having some members with 'racist views', but why does that make news ???
    As the 'Race Relations Act', passed not only be the Labour party in 1976, but also supported by the Conservatives [ lib-dems at the time were still in the old Labour Party, or the Liberal party.] and Liberal M.P's, ones of all religious backgrounds. And as will be verified by any who want to check, 90% + of the Act is based on the concepts of 'Racism' itself, Hitler would have been proud to have most of the Act implemented in Germany.
    Many leading Police Officers, over the years have stated that 'Racism' has become much worse since the passing of the Act.
    In schools, it causes divisions, as children are accorded their 'race rights', so called racial equality. Britain since 1976 has been officially, by law, a racist state.
    What a politician is today, may not be the same in coming years, large numbers of Social Democrats [ Germany till the war period, 1914-18, had the largest soc-dem-labour party in any European country.] joined Hitler's party, so did many from the large anarchist organisations, from the 1918-21 period, they helped build the 'Brownshirts'.
    UKIP is only a phenomena of the time, with every chance of another party overtaking it, the 'coalition' tendency, in and outside Parliament, amongst the older parties poses more threat to the electors.
    ..
    And this at a time, when the mass of the electors are sick and tired, of the NEW 'backwards' imperialism.
    There was a time when an empire invaded and looted another people/country, and sent back to the centre of empire, the loot for distribution, and then imposed continual exploitation.
    But what is seen now, is the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, [ so where is the cheap oil, petrol, diesel ?? ] and now Syria.
    But prices in Britain have skyrocketed, taxes, both government and 'privatised' collected have risen, 'profit' or 'Privatised taxation' to give it its real name, by privately owned companies has drained the bank accounts of millions of electors.
    In the USA over four TRILLION dollars [ soon to increase to six trillion.] have been milked from their economy, and the same process in ongoing in Britain, now its the people at the centres of imperialism, who are being milked by increased exploitation.
    'New Labour, New Britain', and the New imperialism, began in the 1970's.
    But of course, no 'nation or country', can impose imperialism on any other nation, not until its imposed imperialism on its own population, the electors at the centre of the new or resurrected empire.

    • Gary Ludlow April 30, 2013 at 12:03 am - Reply

      GERALD why don’t you and Tom Brown swap phone numbers and go out for a pint, or just have a chat about owt you want.
      Or ask Glenn for your own column’s.
      On the condition that you stop posting thousand word essays completely off topic.
      Who are you trying to impress?

  29. Stakesby Legs April 29, 2013 at 9:16 am - Reply

    Any word yet from Frank and Honest Joe Plant? I was going to ask him when he dropped his leaflet off but he seems to be avoiding houses with dogs.

  30. Tom Brown April 29, 2013 at 12:52 pm - Reply

    Gerald the denizens of the old empire are even now beating a path to get themselves into the centre of the British Empire. Are they missing something?

  31. Daniel S April 29, 2013 at 10:53 pm - Reply

    100k on pots and im still being charged for tap water? Disgusting. Can someone work out how many hours ‘esk leisure’s Kiln must of been operating. I smell a discrepancy or two. The only losers are the under privileged kids this was ment to benefit. SICK.

  32. Gary Ludlow April 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm - Reply

    The information I have is £113,000!
    Webmaster see my comment on April 21 @ 11:01pm.
    See last sentence, my comment has been cut short.
    IT SAYS “You paid ONE PERSON £130,000. Even at say £5 per activity per child, one supplier somehow…….?

    It should have continued to say that if you divide the amount of money received, ie £113,000 by an amount of money that is reasonable for a childs activity then you get the total number of children or the total number of MeToo vouchers used.

    £113,000 divided by £5 = 22,600 Vouch or kids.
    £113,000 divided by £7.50 = 15,066 Vouch or kids.
    £113,000 divided by £10 = 11,300 Vouch or kids.

    So, again back to Cllr Plant, who is still a councillor for SBC, an electorate surely has a right to ask the question and receive a reply from Cllr Plant.

    What was the £113,000 for?
    How much was each activity?
    Where did the vouchers come from?
    What was Cllr Plants involvement?

    The information I have is £113,000!
    I have heard that the original invoice put to NYCC was just over £130,000 but negotiated down to £113,000.

    It was Conservative County Councillor Joe Plants committee, who’s only role is to ensure the County Council officers are working for the public, who should have seen the widespread abuse of the vouchers and their distribution to suitable activities.

    But for a company in Cllr Plants ward whom he has a family connection with to invoice North Yorkshire County Council One Hundred & Thirteen Thousand Pounds £113,000, the invoice’s then chased up by Cllr Plant, needs to be investigated properly, honestly, openly for all the public to see.

    How many children or vouchers however way you look at it amounts to Thousands, of pounds, of children and of vouchers.

  33. Gary Ludlow April 29, 2013 at 11:45 pm - Reply

    Or is everyone comfortable that £113,000 has gone and the circumstances surrounding the £113,000 are completely unknown. Since when did a council spend £113,000 and do so without a full explanation.
    The County Councillor, Cllr Plant’s main connection is that Cllr Plant is involved with NYCC’s Young People Overview And Scrutiny Childrens Committee covering the entire area of the county, he is also well paid to be on that committee.
    Yet his only comment regards the £113,000 is to tell us to go to the police if we think something doesn’t quite stack up?
    That Cllr Plant claims a small fortune for internet conection from both SBC and NYCC?
    What’s to retract?

  34. rod mathers May 1, 2013 at 11:22 am - Reply

    Nothing stands in the way of progress.

    http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/business/local-business/play-centre-set-to-reopen-under-new-ownership-1-5632755

    “Other activities will include a pottery-painting studio, party hosting facilities and a café.

    The Mini Monsterz at Ruswarp has created 11 jobs in the last six years, and features the biggest drop slide in the country.”

    Any comment, JP?

  35. Gary Ludlow May 1, 2013 at 11:39 am - Reply

    £113,000 provided by JP Enterprises incorporating North Yorkshire County Council laxative funding and the Young People Overview And Scrutiny Childrens Committee. Also ran by Councillor Joe Plant et al…

  36. Richard Ineson May 1, 2013 at 11:51 am - Reply

    In the Yorkshire Post of the 27th April, the Prime Minister, David Cameron, is quoted as saying, ‘If you want to keep Council Tax down, then you vote Conservative and get good value for money’.
    I wonder if any of our local Conservative Councillors, or our Members of Parliament can explain how it comes about that we, the residents of Whitby, pay higher Council Taxes than the residents of Kensington and Chelsea, Wandsworth, and Westminster?
    Further, No.18, Carlton House Terrace, London, SW1Y 5AF, has just been put on the market for £250 million; the Council Tax due on this house, it being in Band H in the City of Westminster, is £1361.48p that’s right, thirteen hundred and sixty one pounds, forty eight pence.
    Does this seem just and fair?
    Mrs. Thatcher said that Council Tax charges were always lower in areas where Conservatives were in control of the local Councils, as they were more efficient, so what happened in our area, efficiency and fiscal prudence out to lunch?
    Conservatives in control, but spending apparently out of control, in North Yorkshire, how has this been allowed to happen?
    I think that we should be told.
    I have greater interest than most in this subject as I live in what is probable the smallest habited dwelling in Whitby, it is less than ten feet wide, it has no garden, nowhere to hang any washing, nowhere to park a car, the house is in Band D and Band B Council Tax in Whitby is £1229. 36p, if I lived in Westminster, (average weekly wage £650.00) the Council Tax, for a Band B property would be £529.47
    Here is a comparative list of Council Tax charges, relating to various Councils, which I think, may surprise some of your readers.
    Whitby Council Tax 2013-2014
    Band A £1053.75 Band D £1580.62 Band H £3161.24
    Kensington and Chelsea Council Tax 2013-2014
    Band A £714.43 Band D £1071.65 Band H £2143.30
    Wandsworth Council Tax 2013 – 2014
    Band A £475.74 Band D £713.61 Band H £1427.23
    Westminster Council Tax 2013-2014
    Band A £453.83 Band D £680.74 Band H£1361.48
    The whole Council Tax system, as demonstrated by the foregoing figures, seems to me, to be corrupt, and riddled with unfairness, and is in urgent need of reform. What are our local Conservative Councillors and Conservative Members of Parliament doing to encourage the government to reform this iniquitous tax which penalises those living in deprived areas, with high unemployment, such as Whitby, whilst favouring those who dwell in the most prosperous areas of the U.K such as Westminster?

  37. kathleen parker May 1, 2013 at 1:08 pm - Reply

    C’mon Joe we need answers,what WAS provided for £113.000? Admit it was a scam it can’t be owt else! You say your Whitby born n bred? Is that supposed to impress us? You are on the Council for yourself and nobody else. OUT with Joe! We need someone for us and you don’t fit the bill.

  38. GERALD. May 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm - Reply

    ”’ Now following a six-figure investment the facility is set to reopen this month under new owners Mini Monsterz.
    The move marks an expansion for the family business, which first opened in Ruswarp, near Whitby, seven years ago. ”’

    Ahhh six figures = 100,000 ££’s at least, hey, maybe they recieved a large windfall ???
    But surely, not a ‘state’ capitalisation, in the way central governments, in some countries, have given away large amounts of money in ‘bail outs’. No, never, local councils aren’t allowed to do that.

  39. GERALD. May 1, 2013 at 1:14 pm - Reply

    £113,000 divided by £5 = 22,600 Vouch or kids.
    £113,000 divided by £7.50 = 15,066 Vouch or kids.
    £113,000 divided by £10 = 11,300 Vouch or kids.

    Of course, such figures would depend on how many vouchers each child received… who said they only got one each ??

  40. Gary Ludlow May 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm - Reply

    Whitby’s Park & Ride has been cancelled !!!
    You kept that one quiet Cllr Plant?
    Why was that?

  41. Nigel Ward May 1, 2013 at 6:05 pm - Reply

    I am waiting for official confirmation of the indefinite postponement or cancellation of the whitby Park-&-Ride, but my sources are on the inside, so I expect that your information is correct.

    The point is that after years of bragging about what a huge coup he had pulled off for Whitby, County Councillor Joe PLANT made no mention of his pet project in either of his pre-election flyers.

    I therefore suspect that he may have known that the P&R was going down the tubes since before he had those leaflets printed – but was keeping quiet until after the election, so the electorate would not get wind of the £415K of public money that has been squandered without so much as a blade of grass being cut.

    You could paint a lot of pots for £415K!

    • Joseph Hughes May 2, 2013 at 8:24 am - Reply

      Have you got any more news on the P&R, Nigel?

  42. Tom Brown May 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm - Reply

    Cllr Joe Plant advanced plan ‘B’ re the marina which was actually plan ‘A’ anyway this after scaring the shit out of us.

  43. Steve Old May 1, 2013 at 11:30 pm - Reply

    Mini Monsters advertising on Scarborough news jobs £2.20 an hour well below the minimum wage they get round it saying its apprenticeships its the second comment.
    http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/business/local-business/play-centre-set-to-reopen-under-new-ownership-1-5632755

  44. Harry Basset May 2, 2013 at 11:20 am - Reply

    Just had a call asking if I was going to vote Conservative. I said I would not vote for Joe and the call ended.

  45. rod mathers May 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm - Reply

    The Seven Principles of Public Life, also known as the “Nolan principles”. They are:

    Selflessness – Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other benefits for themselves, their family or their friends.

    Integrity – Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that might seek to influence them in the performance of their official duties.

    Objectivity – In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts, or recommending individuals for rewards and benefits, holders of public office should make choices on merit.

    Accountability – Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.

    Openness – Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.

    Honesty – Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public interest.

    Leadership – Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and example.

    That’s a fail on all seven, Mr Plant.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Standards_in_Public_Life

  46. Tom Brown May 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm - Reply

    Spot on Eric
    Each councillor yours and mine should use the forked stick and pin each public serpent to the ground to avert corruption and demand public requirements as per the duties of a ‘PUBLIC SERVANT’ but watch it, watch the slither and pleadings of security and public interest. So also watch OUR disinterest. Twas ever thus. If we get a UKIP councillor can we rely on them!!!!!

  47. george conway May 2, 2013 at 5:48 pm - Reply

    dear all

    you need to separate the person from the party, both competence and capability are more important than the colour which in itself does not guarantee either.

  48. Nigel Ward May 2, 2013 at 10:35 pm - Reply

    *** LATEST! ***

    *** “Me Too!” – an INDEPENDENT investigation? ***

    http://tinyurl.com/d75l8er

  49. John King June 11, 2013 at 7:28 am - Reply

    I would suggest that Joe is calling your bluff when he says ‘Go to the police.’

    Do it! Ring the rozzers! If nothing else, it would serve to put your campaign in the media spotlight.

    Just pray that your local police force aren’t in the pockets of your local politicians, as they are here in Middlesbrough.

    Keep up the fight,
    John.

  50. sue dewick September 8, 2013 at 5:50 pm - Reply

    Hi Joe what a pratt you are you even look like one what are you trying to gain by distroying the reputation of Jane Kenyon who has devoted her life to Whitby or who is pulling you strings you reallydont look bright enough to do it one your own!!!!!! Paddy in Emmerdale comes to mind!!

    • GERALD. September 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm - Reply

      ”’ the reputation of Jane Kenyon who has devoted her life to Whitby”’ ….
      is that the fact ? or did she do it simply to enhance her ‘own’ reputation and wages ? ….. from her voluntarily playing her part in ‘the game’ she doesn’t seem to have much of a reputation to destroy, she is fully allowed, if she considers anything she is asked to do by any councillor, to be wrong, to refuse to do it. .. She even has the right to refer anything she considers to be criminal, to the council as a whole, or to the police.

  51. GERALD. September 18, 2013 at 1:28 pm - Reply

    Ahhh how does one ‘seperate’ the person from the party ? …. when the party continues to support the person, and other party members still work with them… …
    isn’t it of interest that none of the party councillors or members have made comments on these articles ? …. where has it been said, that party members have been communicating with the police or the council administration to clarify if any accusation/s are correct ??? ..
    it doesn’t appear that the publicity is of any interest to them, they collectively seem to be all in a state of denial of reality. …. not only that, but they seem to think the electors who do vote for them, will continue to be ‘loyal to the conservative party church’, or ‘the church that is the conservative party’, no allowance made at all for ‘conversion’ to other political views/ideologies. They forget that even Churchill used to be a liberal, and ignor the large defection of ‘conservatives’, now ex conservatives, to UKIP. ….. Ahhh the dream world grows, watered and fed by public monies, and this from a political party with ‘three” prime ministers, Cameron and two ‘failed to become’ prime ministers, Smith and Haig.

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