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More NYMNPA / York Potash Conflicted Interests?

More NYMNPA / York Potash Conflicted Interests?

– Corruption Buster TIM THORNE has been studying the public record . . .

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On Monday the 24th September 2012 at 10am there was a full National Park Authority meeting at The National Park Office, The Old Vicarage, Bondgate, Helmsley.

Item 16 on the Agenda was a pre-application presentation to members of the Authority.

The purpose of the Agenda Item was: “To set out and agree an additional[sic] to the Authority’s Code of Practice for pre-application presentations to Members in respect of the York Potash proposal in view of the size and complexity of the project”.

The second purpose of the Agenda Item was: “To agree further pre-application opportunities for public involvement in the York Potash proposal”.

It was recommended that: ‘Members approve the contents of this report’ and also that ‘The Authority attends a further set off[sic] public meetings arranged by relevant Parish Councils or itself following the pre-application presentation on 28 September 2012’.

Attending the meeting, but not declaring an interest in the York Potash portion of the meeting was Cllr Helen Swiers (of recent ‘Private Eye’ notoriety), one of the five North Yorkshire County Council appointed Members of the NYMNPA. Cllr Helen Swiers has substantial land to the south of the National Park and stands to gain a large amount of money in mineral rights from York Potash. One wonders why she didn’t declare an interest and leave the meeting at this point.

Also attending the meeting was Mrs Jane Mitchell, one of the five Secretary of State appointed Members. Mrs Mitchell had no reported interests in York Potash / Sirius Minerals at that time.

However, six days after the pre-application presentation by York Potash to NYNMPA members, on the 28th September 2012, she registered an interest of £4,000 worth of Sirius Minerals shares.

She must have liked the York Potash proposal!

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73 Comments

  1. Frank Chalmers March 23, 2013 at 11:49 am - Reply

    Crooks!

    Stick them in jail.

    The more I see of these crooks the more I’m convinced that they’re all in it together, and the ordinary people are getting stiffed.

    Where are the police in all of this? Don’t they have a job to protect us from crooks?

    Just my two cents.

    • Tim Thorne March 23, 2013 at 7:55 pm - Reply

      “Where are the police in all of this?”

      Where are the Monitoring Officers in all of this? They’re not monitoring the situation very well at all. It should never get to this situation at all.

  2. Richard Ineson March 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm - Reply

    These shenanigans certainly raise a bit of a stink, all of these people should be above suspicion of any wrongdoing but here we have apparent exploitation of inside knowledge to gain a financial advantage. Not what politics is all about in my view, it is time that clear guidance was given to these people as to what is proper behaviour for elected representatives in these circumstances. As for the Secretary of State appointed representative and her shares, just what can she have been thinking about? Smacks of selling your soul for thirty pieces of silver to me. Just what is going on? I think that we should be told. Trebles all round.

  3. Derek Robinson March 23, 2013 at 1:17 pm - Reply

    I would be very interested to know how many other cllrs or their very close friends/family/boyfriends have ownership of land that is in the Potash area or is close enough to declare an interest (I am in fact aware of at least one prominent councilor in this position)
    Not only is it the duty of each councilor to declare their interest but It should be a prime concern of the relevant organisation i.e. NYNP/NYCC/SBC to make sure that councilors do declare the interest and to make them aware of the implications and penalties for not declaring them.
    One of the main causes for the declarations not being made is greed and not ignorance and the fact that the authority staff concerned (monitoring staff) are clearly out of their depth and as long as that is the case then the abuse of the system WILL continue.
    The county council elections are coming up very shortly as well as two SBC seats. GET RID OF THE CROOKS NOW

  4. AnarchyUK March 23, 2013 at 1:27 pm - Reply

    Does the ethical compass that seems shared by the employees/shareholders/members of Sirius and the NYMNPA have just two points; sustainability or pure greed?

    I would like to think on that compass were pointers to loyalty, commitment and responsibility.

    Chris Fraser and Chris France, sort them out!

  5. secretsqu March 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm - Reply

    Anarchy, are you hinting at the culpability on the part of Sirius in this matter?

    • AnarchyUK March 23, 2013 at 1:52 pm - Reply

      Not at all, I am saying that both sides appear to have members/employees/shareholders that lack integrity. If in fact there are two sides to this project, and this is just not one big farce where the people don’t get any true and fair representation on the future of their National Park!

      And yes it makes me angry that such a project that has the potential to bring great benefits to this area, or do it damage by exploitation (depending on your opinion) is being handled by such a shallow bunch of self-servatives. (on both sides) Again, who can we trust?

      • Hugo April 6, 2013 at 10:03 pm - Reply

        So who are those who lack integrity on the Sirius side, and why?

  6. Therealworld March 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm - Reply

    Vanda Inman, on the 19th March the following item appeared on Whitby Gazette:

    anarchyUK
    10:58 AM on 19/03/2013
    Without looking up the Sirius website, which Lord Hutton is on the Sirius Board of Directors? Place your bets 50/50? up tick for Brian Hutton down tick for John Hutton
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hutton,_Baron_Hutton_of_Furness
    or
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Hutton,_Baron_Hutton
    They have both worked for the Ministry of Defence, one is an old chum of Tony Blair and the other is Hutton of Furness, where nucleur waste is being stored temporarily.:

    11 minutes later you posted under your name, the same article on here.

    I then posted the following Question to anarchyUK:

    therealworld
    1:13 PM on 22/03/2013
    anarchyUK, Could you answer a straight forward question with a straight forward answer for me.
    Are you and Vanda Inman one and the same the same person?

    To which I got a reply from anarcyUK that said, I am a chatterbot that posts under different names, this was quickly removed from the site and replaced with the following post.

    anarchyUK
    6:35 PM on 22/03/2013
    Why don’t you ask Vanda Inman?

    So Vanda that is exactly what I would like to ask you, are you and ‘anarchyUK’ one and the same person.

    A straight yes or no in the interest of honesty and clarity that you have quoted as “not being too much to ask” when talking about other people, would be greatly appreciated.
    Thankyou.

    • Tim Thorne March 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm - Reply

      “A straight yes or no in the interest of honesty”

      Are you the bloke who was shouting out my name at the Helmsley meeting? A straight yes or no would be appreciated in the interest of honesty…

      • Stakesby Legs March 24, 2013 at 5:20 pm - Reply

        Nah, it’s not him. This is Johnny Knownowt. He posts all over the Gazette in his own name, slagging Real Whitby and talking John Bright.

  7. Therealworld March 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm - Reply

    For the atten of :Vanda Inman, on the 19th March the following item appeared on Whitby Gazette:

    anarchyUK
    10:58 AM on 19/03/2013
    Without looking up the Sirius website, which Lord Hutton is on the Sirius Board of Directors? Place your bets 50/50? up tick for Brian Hutton down tick for John Hutton
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hutton,_Baron_Hutton_of_Furness
    or
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Hutton,_Baron_Hutton
    They have both worked for the Ministry of Defence, one is an old chum of Tony Blair and the other is Hutton of Furness, where nucleur waste is being stored temporarily.:

    11 minutes later you posted under your name, the same article on here.

    I then posted the following Question to anarchyUK:

    therealworld
    1:13 PM on 22/03/2013
    anarchyUK, Could you answer a straight forward question with a straight forward answer for me.
    Are you and Vanda Inman one and the same the same person?

    To which I got a reply from anarcyUK that said, I am a chatterbot that posts under different names, this was quickly removed from the site and replaced with the following post.

    anarchyUK
    6:35 PM on 22/03/2013
    Why don’t you ask Vanda Inman?

    So Vanda that is exactly what I would like to ask you, are you and ‘anarchyUK’ one and the same person.

    A straight yes or no in the interest of honesty and clarity that you have quoted as “not being too much to ask” when talking about other people, would be greatly appreciated.
    Thankyou.

  8. AnarchyUK March 23, 2013 at 2:24 pm - Reply

    Oh and Squirrel, whilst I am so angry, you can stop waving your legal dictionary at me cos I really don’t give a f*ck, this Project is bigger than both of us, so shove your lawyers guide book up your ass and stop being such a cissy. I am actually feeling some level of pity for the Sirius poor bastards that have to deal with these corrupt, self-servatives that have wormed their way into our decision making Councils and Boards of Authority. Go on, have a real good look around this website and educate yourself on what incompetence, corruption and absolute crooks we have to contend with here, all the effing time!

  9. Gareth Whittaker March 23, 2013 at 2:26 pm - Reply

    So Jane Mitchell has registered her interest and Helen Swiers has land in the south when the mine head will be in the North?

    If this is the best you can come up with to stop this project I think the area can sleep easy.

    The number of people that will benefit from this development is enormous and some self proclaimed corruption buster is trying to hold this country back.

    I’m sure if the news of the world was still around we wouldn’t have you on this website.

    Tim Thorne you are a disgrace to Whitby and I hope a few well connected people start looking into your past a little closer.

    Good day.

  10. secretsqu March 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm - Reply

    Tim, can you point me to a list of the committee members that attended the presentation on 28th September along with a link for the purposes of provenance.

  11. secretsqu March 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm - Reply

    Anarchy I don’t apprecaite being sworn at by you, so I have reported your post. Please try and keep it clean as resorting to such abusive language does very little for your argument.

    I felt that my question was a fair one in response to your previous post.

  12. Nigel Ward March 23, 2013 at 3:31 pm - Reply

    Transparency International defines CORRUPTION thus:

    The abuse of entrusted power for private gain.

    It hurts everyone who depends on the integrity of people in a position of authority.

  13. AnarchyUK March 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm - Reply

    Squirrel, I do apologise for my inappropriate outburst that was meant for an entity and not you as person. I shall now go and throw myself on my sword to save my employer the embarrassment of firing me.

  14. secretsqu March 23, 2013 at 3:48 pm - Reply

    Thank you for your apology. I appreciate that emotions are running high, as yes, I have read the majority of other articles on the alledged corrupt activities of certain council members and can understand the frustration that this causes.

    time for a beer.

  15. Tom Brodrick March 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm - Reply

    I think that living within the National Park inc Whitby and the surrounding outskirts we can become a little too familiar, deprived of the power of sensation, numb with how special the National Park really is. Not just to visitors from within the UK, it is a very special place in the context of the rest of the world.
    The sole objection, the very existence of the National Park Authority is to preserve the National Park, keep it exactly as it is form corner to corner, to the last millimeter. End of, no if’s or but’s, that is their role, their ONLY role.
    Not nibble here and nibble there, no way, forget it.
    It interesting how the NYMNP committee member are landowners, but they are first and foremost, mainly farmers, who have a specialist knowledge in land / animal management and how to best to keep tradition and maintain a viable business etc etc within the National Park.
    BUT once such a spectacular unusual situation comes along, such as mineral rights then two things should have happened.
    ONE. NYNPA meet up and agree on how to best manage the application, first and foremost the issue of the Declaration of Interests.
    TWO. Careful scrutiny, easy peasy really, followed by the selection of a new Planning Committee whose declaration of interests does not inc land owners who are potentially going to be in receipt of mineral rights.
    As for the purchase of shares, no they should not own shares but how could you possibly monitor it, friends, family, partners could easily purchase shares. They could sign a gagging order and they could agree not to have any involvement directly or indirectly with shares.
    But to have landowners with mineral rights sitting in meetings and actually making decisions is 100% against what the NYMNPA is about. It’s quite simply madness and the NYMNPA needs to take a good look in the mirror.
    As for the mining company, the shareholders, the potential employees etc then I wish them the best of luck, but please lets do it properly and at all times respect the National Park and select the right people for the job.

  16. Nigel Ward March 23, 2013 at 6:08 pm - Reply

    The second part of the TI definition is, in many ways, the more important of the two. It bears repetition:

    “It (Corruption)hurts everyone who depends on the integrity of people in a position of authority.”

    I hope that all our readers are willing to acknowledge that the conduct of ‘people in a position of authority’ is brought into question solely by the evidence of the public record of their actions.

    Whether the YPL consents are granted or not, it will remain the case that those who have used privileged information for private gain have thereby abused the public trust – they are therefore the very last people to be entrusted with the decision.

    I hope that they will have the good grace to resign.

  17. DKP March 23, 2013 at 7:07 pm - Reply

    Following TT’s exposee last week end, Mr Lawn stepped down on Monday morning.

    The world is watching, ladies….

  18. David Perry March 23, 2013 at 10:19 pm - Reply

    Its much better to complain about this sort of thing (conflicts of interest) to the national park themselves. I doubt anyone from the park reads what you discuss amongst yourselves)

  19. admin March 23, 2013 at 11:01 pm - Reply

    They read every word David as do nycc, ny police,rnli and sbc amongst many others.

  20. Jane Swales March 24, 2013 at 8:57 am - Reply

    Surely Park officials who have taken advantage of information available to them through their positions are guilty of insider trading. I had no idea how to look up the laws on insider trading but I was sure it must be very illegal and carry stiff penalties. So I Googled it. The Financial Services Authority handles it and regularly secures custodial sentences of several years.

    http://www.fsa.gov.uk/about/who

    Call me cynical but I expect these Park people have “connections” and can pull strings to escape prosecution.

  21. Alan March 24, 2013 at 9:59 am - Reply

    Excellent work again Tim, and you know you’ve succeeded when you get comments such as Whitaker’s and Perry’s; when an argument is lost, losers will always try to shoot the messenger. “Rem acu tetigisti” as we say in Yorkshire:-)

  22. secretsqu March 24, 2013 at 12:29 pm - Reply

    After having read this article again today, I found myself wondering how useful it would be if certain facts could be established in order to guage the accuracy of the allegations contained herein.

    The questions that ocurred to me were…

    1.Did Mrs. Mitchell attend the presentation meeting on 28th September?
    2.When exactly did Mrs. Mitchell become a shareholder?
    3. Are York Potash able to divulge price sensitive information to a select number of people, outside of the normal regulated statements that they are bound by?

    I think that answers to these questions would go a long way to determining the real value of this article.

    • Stakesby Legs March 24, 2013 at 5:11 pm - Reply

      You mean you’ve read the article at least twice and still not noticed that there are no allegations in it? It just reports the facts as presented by the Park web-site. Why don’t you try dropping the bunker-mentality and start digging out your own info? I can’t find any record of who attended the presentation meeting on September the 28th. Don’t know how you’ll find out when Mrs M picked up those shares. You could try asking her – LOL. If it was more than 28 days before she declared them she’s still in bother.

  23. Jon Risdon March 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm - Reply

    I came across a quote yesterday on a Facebook site dedicated to the work of Thomas Paine, an Englishman who promoted the cause of democracy here, in America and France [in chronological order]; despite suffering physical & verbal abuse at the hands of those seeking to preserve vested interests and his ideas being subverted, he did introduce some measure of sanity, reason & common sense into the constitutions of the two latter countries [but not, ironically, in his own]. The quote is attributed to a German philosopher, Erich Fromm;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Fromm

    and it seems apposite here:

    “Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.”

    Food for thought.

  24. secretsqu March 24, 2013 at 6:38 pm - Reply

    Stakesby, you must be reading a different article to me, particularly when one considers the caption under the picture of the two ladies in question.

    • Stakesby Legs March 24, 2013 at 7:02 pm - Reply

      You must be reading a different dictionary to me. There’s no allegation in the picture caption. There are pictures of the two ladies in the article superimposed over a map of the park, and a big IF in a completely separate box. You must have a dirty mind.

  25. E Black March 24, 2013 at 7:01 pm - Reply

    The Councillor, Helen Swales, has clearly* failed to disclose a personal interest at a meeting, which is a breach of the Code of Conduct.
    Considering the integrity spotlight now on the N York Moors’ imminent decision she can’t be considered to have done any less than have brought the whole committee and that decision into disrepute**.
    If the publicity- if there is any, looking at this week’s W.Gazette and S. News it won’t be local- doesn’t lead to a resignation, has anyone made a complaint about a breach of the Code of Conduct? If a complaint fails- since Eric Pickles gave Authorities the power to police themselves, members on some Authorities have treated members rather leniently- there are other channels.

    If the Secretary of State’s Appointee Jane Mitchell’s share purchase declaration was timely she has not breached the same standards BUT all but the weakest Finance, Risk, Audit and Standards Committee would regard her action as bringing the Authority into disrepute** and probably as using her position for personal advantage***. If the Standards Committee don’t act I am sure a few letters to the Secretary of State would be an embarrassment enough to bring about a “resignation”.

    Good Luck.
    E.Black
    PS A Twitter link brought me here, have you a dedicated Twitter account yourselves?

    FROM NYMNP CODE OF CONDUCT:

    * 12. Where you attend a meeting of the Authority, or of a Committee of the Authority, and you are, or ought reasonably to be, aware that any of your personal interests are relevant to an item of business which is being considered, then unless the
    interest is one which has been noted under paragraph 11, you must disclose to that meeting the existence and nature of that interest at the commencement of that item of business, or when the interest becomes apparent, if later.
    13. Where you attend a meeting of the Authority, or of a Committee of the Authority, and you are, or ought reasonably to be, aware that a decision in relation to any item of business which is to be transacted might reasonably be regarded as affecting your well being or financial position, or the well being or financial position of a person described in paragraph 14 to a greater extent than the majority of inhabitants of the North York Moors National Park, then you must disclose to that
    meeting the existence and nature of that interest at the commencement of that item of business, or when the interest becomes apparent, if later.

    ** 4. Your conduct should be exemplary and you must not conduct yourself in a manner which could reasonably be regarded as bringing the Authority,or your office as a member of the Authority, into disrepute.

    *** 5. You must not use or attempt to use your position as a member improperly to confer on or secure for yourself or any other person any advantage or disadvantage.

    • Frank Chalmers March 24, 2013 at 7:46 pm - Reply

      You wouldn’t be on the Harbor Board would you?

      • E Black March 25, 2013 at 11:24 pm - Reply

        No I’m not Edwin.

  26. AnarchyUK March 24, 2013 at 7:55 pm - Reply

    “To which I got a reply from anarcyUK that said, I am a chatterbot that posts under different names, this was quickly removed from the site and replaced with the following post.” That is incorrect. Please quote correctly if quoting at all.

  27. secretsqu March 24, 2013 at 9:29 pm - Reply

    “I can’t find any record of who attended the presentation meeting on September the 28th. Don’t know how you’ll find out when Mrs M picked up those shares. You could try asking her – LOL. If it was more than 28 days before she declared them she’s still in bother.”

    So basically, we don’t know at this stage whether there was any wrongdoing or not. Is that the conclusion?

  28. wendy March 24, 2013 at 9:56 pm - Reply

    What happened to a, duty of regard (NE243)? A statutory duty to have regard to the purposes of designation for English Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, National Parks and the Broads. Under the duty every public body, holder of public office and any statutory undertaker must take into account the potential effect on these landscapes of any decision it reaches or activity it carries out so as to preserve it for us and future generations. Nowhere does it say, rape it for personal gain

  29. rod mathers March 25, 2013 at 8:48 am - Reply

    If Mrs Mitchell attended on the 24th September having already bought shares, why did she not declare them at the meeting? If she bought them after the meeting, doesn’t that break #5, as E Black says? If she attended on the 28th and then bought the shares, she is a shameless opportunist of the first order. While thousands struggle to keep up, a privileged few grab every opportunity to get ahead. Your caring, sharing representatives. Pass the bag.

    • Tim Thorne March 25, 2013 at 12:47 pm - Reply

      “If Mrs Mitchell attended on the 24th September having already bought shares, why did she not declare them at the meeting?”

      It might be that her husband bought them without her knowledge and he has dropped her in an uncomfortable position.

  30. AnarchyUK March 25, 2013 at 11:09 am - Reply

    Interesting reading; Will they find Potash here too? Rio Tinto are there:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21784717

    • Hugo April 6, 2013 at 10:14 pm - Reply

      Will they find potash: no. Completely different geology.

      • anarchyUK April 6, 2013 at 11:56 pm - Reply
        • Hugo April 7, 2013 at 8:01 am - Reply

          Are you on drugs? Have you read that? It has zero to do with copper/silver/gold mining and potash.
          Just to calm you down, the document is 15 years old. In the UK residues from incinerators is used as agrigates which are raw materials for the building industry, I’d guess its the same everywhere nowadays.

  31. DKP March 25, 2013 at 12:43 pm - Reply

    I see that like County Councillors Carl Les and Jane Kenyon, County Councillor Helen Swiers was also a member of the thoroughly discredited NY Police Authority.

    http://www.nypa.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=778

    All three of them are Conservatives. What a shocking example they set. I have to agree with Mr Black. They should face complaints for breaking the requirements of the Code, particularly number 4.

    4. Your conduct should be exemplary and you must not conduct yourself in a manner which could reasonably be regarded as bringing the Authority, or your office as a member of the Authority, into disrepute.

  32. Arthur March 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm - Reply
  33. Vanda Inman March 25, 2013 at 1:51 pm - Reply

    Squirrell, You all must be psychic, Anarchy and I were just making our own Potash Quiz!

    I wouldn’t bother with Q 3, that has already been answered. Bit late in the day for that and not v interesting.

    With only 5 weeks to go surely your associates would not have this called in to SoS. Are they mad? Besides, I think we all need to see the Boulby response sooner rather than later. Is it in yet?

  34. AnarchyUK March 25, 2013 at 5:08 pm - Reply

    Clearly your associates are quite mad, nothing wrong with that but ref the 13Q’s :

    1. Yes, linking is usual. Level of work – a bond will be due to cover remedials.
    2. One is in, two, is NYMNPA, May, three Sept, and Four – on brown industrial land anyway
    3. Of course it will.
    4. Dont worry about that.
    5. It is NPI controlled
    6. Isn’t that what you pay AMEC for
    7. Of course.
    8. At 1.30 pm
    9. Not unusual
    10. See Q 1 and only Sirius can answer that
    11. Of course
    12. Strategic waiting for Q 7
    13. Strategic waiting for Q 7

    Blimey, talk about the lunatics taking over the asylum!

  35. secretsqu March 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm - Reply

    “I wouldn’t bother with Q 3, that has already been answered. Bit late in the day for that and not v interesting.”

    Oh, but it is. You have obviously missed the relevance Vanda.

    “With only 5 weeks to go surely your associates would not have this called in to SoS. Are they mad? Besides, I think we all need to see the Boulby response sooner rather than later. Is it in yet?”

    Well I thought that was obvious; that’s why I asked the question.

    • Hugo April 7, 2013 at 8:19 am - Reply

      Turnip, you are wasting your time. Anarchy has as much understanding of N P K or S Mg or any of the other 9, as he or she does of ABC.

  36. secretsqu March 25, 2013 at 8:56 pm - Reply

    “Squirrell, You all must be psychic, Anarchy and I were just making our own Potash Quiz!”

    Is this a game then … entity and all?

    Is that what a Labour secretary is all about?

    Hmmm. I wonder what the voters make of it?

  37. Vanda March 25, 2013 at 9:15 pm - Reply

    Squirrel, Just after a win win situ. I would have preferred it had Sirius just gone away after the first hurdle, and left us all as we were = win win. As it is now, after others have some serious investment, and others have some serious hopes there could be some serious disappointments – I don’t like lose lose situs, do you?

    As for LP Secretary, they did not like my Questions re Sirius or other matters, but that is by the by. There is room for everyone.

    Besides, I have already bought my tent and flask! Don’t think they do refunds !

    As re the MoD – Potash or MoD? mmm – I think Potash is safer than the Americans, but without the waste business, obviously. I don’t do wars, just battles.

    I like commitment – lets see some from York Potash – they have come a long way since trying to avoid an EIA. Or are they the tourists?

    As for Anarchy – it rules! peacefully of course.

  38. Vanda March 25, 2013 at 10:23 pm - Reply

    This is a major project for this area and the impacts will outlast and outlive this generation. Where will the responsibility lie? Who will ultimately be accountable? If this project is to go ahead it should have some firm established footings that cannot be deviated from. Those can be assessed either before or after the initial PA.

    Sirius and or shareholders really have done themselves no favours by thinking we are some backwater, desperate state of deprived beings that wouldn’t have noticed a great big hole under our National Park in exchange for a few quid. I like to think they have moved on from that stance and appreciate that we do have a high quality of life. It is only natural to want to defend and protect what is of value.

    I think if the MoD didn’t want Sirius around they would have told you by now, they have had at least four months notice. I think the NYMNPA are possibly pondering their justification for their own existence – its a tough call, to their own detriment(either way) they will just have to do the right thing – and that is to make a decision.

    I also think that Rockcheck and Rajawali Group will want to maximise their profit on the mine – hence the waste disposal business. That said if we create waste we should be responsible for disposing of it. I just think it is better that the more people know the facts and possible outcomes, even the intangible ones, the better we (as a community) are placed to deal with any potential risks.

    I also think that being caught between a rock and a hard place is tough, esp as a geologist. Lighten up, this is still the most exciting project to happen around here for decades. This is not the start of some new bubonic plague is it? So how you get over it, around it and under it is up to you, but do either gear or cheer yourself up.

    • Chris the Milkman March 26, 2013 at 11:22 am - Reply

      You never mentioned you were a geologist before? Interesting.

      • Vanda March 26, 2013 at 11:40 am - Reply

        Oops, It would be more interesting if I were a geologist, alas I am not, otherwise I would be in Peru or Mongolia!

        Just a bad guess at Squirell’s alter ego!?

        Am going to have a few days off, got some more pressing battles to fight, and Potash will keep, so this will be my last post for a while – hurray!

        • Tim Thorne March 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm - Reply

          I’m not so sure the Potash will keep. The share price is dropping faster than the incredible Mr Baumgartner…

          • Hugo April 7, 2013 at 8:16 am - Reply

            What has the share-price to do with the viability of the project? The share price doesnt effect the mine’s viability. You obviously don’t understand the stock-market. For the most part it is a secondary market. The company made its money when the shares were sold to the stickholders on day one, not now. The company makes no money from the shares. If the project is viable the share price will increase, if it isn’t it will decrease. If the company needs more money it could sell shares as one option. If the mine is viable they will borrow the money to build the mine.
            As for your child-like joy that the price has gone down, in the last week or so it’s gone up about 15%, and the last 2 months its probably down 30%. However most of the shares were bought at below 11 p, so the majority of shareholders are probably substantially in profit if they sold today.

            • AnarchyUK April 7, 2013 at 8:43 am - Reply

              Robert Maxwell had a view that inflating the shareprice would secure his funding.

              • Tim Thorne April 7, 2013 at 10:50 am - Reply

                I suspect the only yacht Hugo has is the one he plays with in the bath, whilst dreaming of world domination from his stock purchases.

                The writing is on the wall for Sirius shares. Hugo chooses to ignore the obvious signs that there will be lengthy delays with the planning process, which may cause the project to fold entirely.

                • Hugo April 7, 2013 at 11:45 am - Reply

                  Tim
                  I will ignore the puerile comment and concentrate on the substance. With your constant short-term obsession with the day to day share price, and the minor delays in planning permission, you lose sight of the bigger picture. This is a mine more than 1 mile deep, with a production life of more than a century. Delay is inevitable. If it goes to the Secretary of State it’ll be 6 months or so. The delays till now are weeks, nothing on a project of this size. If you had experience of this type of project, you’d be aware of it. If its not built, the losers are not the shareholders – but the local people who will not get high paid jobs and will be condemned to leave the area, and us all as a nation, not getting the tax receipts.
                  The delays are not the main risk to the project, it’s the chance of the Park simply saying “No”, followed by Mr Pickles saying the same. Of course if that happens you will rejoice at the misfortune of your neighbours and countrymen.. if the whole world were full of “men” like you, we’d be living in caves, and we certainly wouldn’t have an NHS.

  39. secretsqu March 30, 2013 at 9:41 pm - Reply

    Well, you seem to be keeping even less, (potash) as I see that every post that you have made on the WG & SEN have been removed.

    Why would that be then?

    • Tim Thorne March 30, 2013 at 10:42 pm - Reply

      You’re pretty slow on the uptake, Sq. Judging by the speed of your response it’ll take you another week to work it out.

  40. secretsqu March 31, 2013 at 3:37 pm - Reply

    I don’t have as much time as others to constantly read all of the various blogs.

    I suspect that it has someting to do with what is plastered all over the front page of this website today.

    It seems that the hounds are off and running.

  41. secretsqu April 1, 2013 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    “Squirrell, You all must be psychic, Anarchy and I were just making our own Potash Quiz!”

    I would wager that it’s more than just pyschic.

    • AnarchyUK April 2, 2013 at 6:09 am - Reply

      How much?

  42. Vanda April 2, 2013 at 8:38 am - Reply

    But lets decide on ‘currency’ first.

  43. secretsqu April 2, 2013 at 9:44 am - Reply

    How very apt.lol

  44. AnarchyUK April 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm - Reply

    Quiz – sample: Who Appoints the Secretary of State Appointments to the National Parks, the Broads Authority and Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty Conservation Boards 2013?

    • Joseph Turnip April 4, 2013 at 1:06 pm - Reply

      Epic fail, Mr Anarchy. Looks like someone doesn’t know his N from his K.

      Polyhalite is an evaporite mineral, a hydrated sulfate of potassium, calcium and magnesium.

      At least do some research on the basic facts before spreading your own organic fertilizer.

      • Hugo April 7, 2013 at 10:08 am - Reply

        Turnip, you are wasting your time, anarchy no moreunderunderstands NPK or S or Mg or Mg or any of the other 9, than s(he) would from ABC

  45. AnarchyUK April 7, 2013 at 8:30 am - Reply

    Lord Hutton, 30 December 2012.
    “Nuclear power has always been a controversial issue. But whatever view you take about the future role of nuclear energy, successive governments have rightly tried to establish a permanent solution for the radioactive waste generated by our military and existing civil nuclear programmes.

    These plans are now at a critical stage of development.
    My belief is that we must not continue to pass the buck. We have a choice.
    We can either continue to store this old waste above ground indefinitely and leave the final solution for future generations to resolve, or we can tackle this once and for all with a permanent geological disposal facility.

    The latter course is the only responsible way to proceed”.

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