“Bad Apples” – In My View By Nigel Ward

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“Bad Apples” – In My View By Nigel Ward

Here is another great article from the “In My View” column by Nigel Ward.

Unsurprisingly, my BAR SIMPSON article last week (about Councillor Brian Simpson’s conduct in the ‘comments’ section of a Scarborough Evening News web-site story), has exposed deep divisions between the public and the elected representatives – the Councillors.

In attempting to deny (and/or defend) having accepted Broadband allowances from both SBC and NYCC, Councillor Brian Simpson (LibDem – Eastfield Ward) – or some mythical impersonator – allowed himself to descend to the level of hurling insults at a member of his own electorate who had been commenting pseudonymously on the site, even disclosing her identity and personal details.

I was appalled by Councillor Simpson’s shameful conduct, and I assumed that many of his colleagues would be equally shocked. So I wrote to all the SBC Independent Group Councillors, asking what action they thought would be appropriate. No response.

I also wrote to the six Labour Councillors.

Councillor Colin Challen (Castle Ward) responded, assuring me that he and his colleagues were opposed to corruption in public office and had been since the year dot. Well, thank goodness for that.

His fellow Labour member Councillor John Ritchie (Falsgrave Ward) also responded (marked, curiously enough, ‘In Confidence’), commendably suggesting a referral to the Police – that is what he would do, he assured me. I wonder if he has?

The only other response came from Councillor Steve Bairstow (Woodland Ward), who disappointed me the most with his scurrilous remark that he was:

“not going to go about falling out with fellow Councillors unless it becomes a problem to myself”.

What Councillor Steve Bairstow is saying is that he intends to turn a blind eye to serious allegations against a fellow Councillor of

  • fraudulent claiming of allowances/expenses
  • breaches of the Data Protectiuon Act 1998
  • breaches of Article 1 of the Councillors’ Code of Conduct

unless it is going to impact negatively on him personally.

This is a classic example of the classically corrupt policy known as CLOSING RANKS.

The expression even a few bad apples will soon ruin the whole barrel” is grounded in common experience, because the decay, as we know, quickly spreads to the remaining good ones. The implication is that bad apples must be removed immediately, because they are more damaging to the system than may first appear. The metaphor is an injunction to us to turn our attention to the beginnings of corruption in public life, and demand that diligence from those in the highest authority.

What this famous metaphor fails to convey, though, is that the higher the  authority, the biffer the apples – and the bigger the apples, the more neighbouring apples become contaminated.

In a local government barrel that has remained mostly opaque to public scrutiny since the inception of the Local Government Act 1972 – in fact, on All Fools’ Day 1974 – the spread of moral disintegration has become pandemic and almost complete.

Corruption of this sort spreads through two of mankind’s most primitive imperatives – fear and greed – and the two reinforce one another through a malign symbiosis. Each feeds the other in the classic process known as the ‘feedback loop’.

The Free Dictionary defines ‘feedback’ thus:

  • “The return of a portion of the output of a process or system to the input, especially when used to maintain performance or to control a system or process.”

Ungoverned, any such process or system is doomed to self-destruction.

GREED for advancement in career, and for cash, provides the temptation, the motivation, the inducement, to ‘cut corners’. Do it once and you are hooked. You are then caught on the hook of FEAR – fear of exposure, of prosecution, of shame. So you do as you are told. Out of FEAR. And just as soon as you have compounded your complicity, someone offers you that juicy carrot again and ignites your GREED; a sought-after corner office, perhaps; a couple of weeks in that time-share on Gran Canaria; the chair-ship (and concomitant allowances/expenses claims) of some sorry little committee; a reserved space in that convenient car-park.

Take it. Why not? You’re already hooked, aren’t you?

So what you need now is an equally hooked underling – a scapegoat, a patsy – a mug. The corruption oozes down the barrel – that is the real trickle-down effect that all we keep hearing so much about.

This is how the system goes bad.

I have commented before on the importance of “ETERNAL VIGILANCE” (click to view), and I ask you now to bear with me and consider a few more words on the subject.

Some extraordinary things have come to light over recent weeks;

  • fresh allegations concerning the North Yorkshire Police and the North Yorkshire Police Authority (on which subject, more in a few days time);
  • information elicited under the Freedom of Information Act intimating that a considerable number of Councillors throughout North Yorkshire have taken unfair advantage of the various allowances schemes;
  •  ‘leaked’ information and documents indicating inappropriate business affiliations on the part of elected members;
  • a seemingly cut-and-dried case of a Councillor openly insulting a member of the public on a newspaper web-site.

During this same period;

  • Freedom of Information requests have expired unanswered and have been unlawfully refused;
  • Complaints processes have been stone-walled and denied, despite irrefutable evidence;
  • High-ranking public services have remained silent in the face of allegations of the gravest possible nature.
  • Mr Donald Crawford, the eminent retired barrister and advisor to the Parliamentary Brief, has now reviewed the evidence collated by Timothy Hicks FCA in the Hofschröer/NYP case and expressed his professional opinion that there is evidence enough to arrest Police Officer and Council officials.

How come, then, that nothing ever actually happens?

Well, something does happen; what happens is that the big bad apples lean on the smaller bad apples and the whole thing gets hopelessly mushed up – and HUSHED UP.

So if you happen to be one of the GOOD APPLES in the barrel, feeling the heat of the trickle-down effect, why don’t you do the right thing, the honourable thing, and jump right out of the goddamn barrel?

I am forming a whistling-blowing band and I could use a few more sopranos!

You can contact me through the Contact page here on Real Whitby. You will not be the first.

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52 Comments

  1. Nigel Ward April 24, 2012 at 7:24 pm - Reply

    I have written to the Acting Monitoring Officer. I do not anticipate a response:

    —– Original Message —–
    From: Nigel
    To: LISA DIXON
    Cc: Cllr.Steve Bairstow; Cllr.Eric Broadbent
    Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:03 PM
    Subject: Guidance for elected members

    Ms Lisa DIXON – Acting Head of Legal & Support Services and Acting Monitoring Officer

    Lisa,

    In order to spare the public purse the burden of another futile complaint to the Standards Committee, would you please review the appended correspondence and make arrangements to provide guidance to Councillor Steve Bairstow in respect of his duties under the terms of his Oath of Acceptance of Office and the terms of the Councillors’ Code of Conduct. Thank you very much.

    Kind regards,

    Nigel

  2. Peter Anderson April 24, 2012 at 7:56 pm - Reply

    nigel. 16 hits on the rw site

  3. kristina pinder April 24, 2012 at 9:22 pm - Reply

    I do think that perhaps the troubles with Cllr Simpson have ‘opened up a can of worms’that hopefully wont be stopped . I am 99.9% sure that Cllr Simpson disclosed a contributer to the SEN website, because it was me, my name, my anominity was gone, whether I liked it or not. I have been truly shocked by some of the things that I have since found out about the dealings (or should I say double dealings?) of various Councillors. I am still waiting for an apology from Cllr Simpson (which I don’t really expect to get) but he has been very quiet since the SEN debacle.. GOOD !

  4. Annie Sein April 25, 2012 at 9:43 am - Reply

    I find this article so depressing. All dark clouds, stormy weather and muddy waters. ‘Blow winds blow. Blow dust into their eyes.’

  5. Jane Swales April 25, 2012 at 10:37 am - Reply

    How puzzling. If Challen and his New Labour colleagues have been anti-corruption since the year dot, as Nigel reports, how come they never shared that commendable policy with Councillor Spineless? And what have they been doing about it? Not Much? Not enough? Or nothing at all? Answers on a polling card, please.

  6. vanda inman April 25, 2012 at 10:39 am - Reply

    Eternal Vigilance – indeed. But theres something about apples that doesn’t quite apply.

  7. Richard Ineson April 25, 2012 at 12:07 pm - Reply

    Cllr. Simpson has undoubtedly acted in a manner unbecoming to a person holding public office. The way in which he has addressed Krissy60 and betrayed her identity in direct contravention of the Data Protection Act, which is a very serious matter indeed, not to mention the very arrogant and derogatory remarks, “Kristina I am not concerned that you do not believe me and I should have guessed that you are a MIss.” must warrant some disciplinary action from both the Standards Committee of SBC and NYCC and also the LibDem Party Executive. I admire Krissy60 for being able to brush aside these offensive remarks which must inevitably have caused her distress, but I feel that the relevant authorities must take some action against this Councillor who is bringing the integrity of local government into disrepute both by his unprofessional and intemperate behaviour and also his apparent exploitation of the Councillors’ allowance for Broadband access, commonly known as ”double dipping”.

    • Stakesby Legs April 26, 2012 at 12:27 am - Reply

      “Cllr. Simpson has undoubtedly acted in a manner unbecoming to a person holding public office.”

      Why beat about the bush? He behaved like an utter prat. He should walk. And this Barstow bloke must be soft in the head. Fancy putting that on paper. Elected? He ought to be rejected, deselected, disinfected and blown out.

  8. DKP April 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm - Reply

    At the risk of alienating my good comrades, this is beginning to look like the March of the Eunuchs. I can hear the battle cry now. “A cojone! A cojone! My kingdom for a cojone!”

    For crying out loud, councillors – show some mettle!

  9. admin April 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm - Reply

    ***RED ALERT***

    Real Whitby host server has been compromised by as-yet unidentified ‘hackers’. This appears to be a so-called DOS attack, thought to be in response to recent ARTICLES EXPOSING MALPRACTICE IN VARIOUS LOCAL AUTHORITIES.

  10. F L C April 26, 2012 at 2:46 pm - Reply

    Reading through this it looks like we have a little bit of political inbreeding going on. At the very least we have a bunch of trailer trash.

    The only course of action is to ship them off to a trailer park and fence them in. Jail time might be a good alternative.

    If these people are all for open and hoenst conduct, why aren’t they working hard to keep each other on the straight and narrow. It seems to me like they are the first ones to complain and moan if the community ‘act up’.

    Round them up, stick them in jail, and lets get some honest people in there.

    Point in hand, has anyone thought to do a FOIA request for how many councillors have criminal records?

  11. Nigel Ward April 27, 2012 at 11:12 am - Reply

    A big thank you to the two morally principled ‘individuals’ who have, on the strength of this article, come forward with very incriminating information – especially the ‘Sirius’ documentation, more on which in a day or three. I salute you!

  12. Nigel Ward April 27, 2012 at 6:01 pm - Reply

    I have now been provided with further evidence of an astonishing and grave breach of the Councillors’ Code of Conduct – again attributable to Councillor Brian Simpson. Details to follow later this evening.

  13. Real Whitby April 29, 2012 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    Stakesby Legs Said

    Here you go, Nige. Have a skeg at this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181868/Bring-justice-The-Mail-helps-launch-campaign-prosecute-sleaze-MPs.html

    Private Prosecution. Just the ticket for all the double dippers.

    At 5:10 pm On April 29, 2012

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  14. Real Whitby April 29, 2012 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    Vanda Inman Said

    Stakesby – I wonder is our cllrs will try to claim extra expenses/allowances if or when they reaccommodate the Town Hall to Eastfield. Perhaps second home rules would apply if travelling from as far afield as Whitby?

    At 7:45 pm On April 29, 2012

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    • Vanda Inman May 6, 2012 at 8:18 pm - Reply

      According to Nick Edwwards at the Town Team Meeting on Weds 9th May – should the Town hall move out to Eastfield ( Old Skipton Blding Society) then staff and Members (thats Councillors not ‘Pricks’)will have to be ‘compensated’ for up to two years. Scrutiny Committee this Tuesday – publish the Risk Register please SBC – its all in there (allegedly)

  15. Real Whitby April 29, 2012 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    Stakesby Legs Said

    Here you go, Nige. Have a skeg at this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181868/Bring-justice-The-Mail-helps-launch-campaign-prosecute-sleaze-MPs.html

    Private Prosecution. Just the ticket for all the double dippers.

    At 5:10 pm On April 29, 2012

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  16. Real Whitby April 29, 2012 at 7:10 pm - Reply

    Vanda Inman Said

    Stakesby – I wonder is our cllrs will try to claim extra expenses/allowances if or when they reaccommodate the Town Hall to Eastfield. Perhaps second home rules would apply if travelling from as far afield as Whitby?

    At 7:45 pm On April 29, 2012

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  17. Elur Seirot May 5, 2012 at 6:27 pm - Reply

    The phrase “making mountains out of molehills” comes to mind. In real terms the odd £100 or so expenses claimed to fund the cost of expensive electronics and data bills is nothing compared to the countless hours spent working with and for the local communities, and the borough as a whole.

  18. Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 11:08 am - Reply

    DKP Says “like 400 grand in 2 years”. Let’s assume that by ‘tip’ you are referring to the part of an iceberg that lies above sea level. Roughly 89.4% of an iceberg’s volume is sub-aqueous, does that mean the total claimed is more like £4m? On small town expense claims? I don’t think so.

    As a student I choose to pay for monthly broadband, as well as £36pcm on a phone data contract, both of which are essential for my studies. If I was a Councillor and sat on various bodies, I would definitely require two phones, both for organisation’s sake, and to keep matters separate.

    Perhaps your “two hatted” (did they claim for those hats?) Cllrs claiming for two broadband fees are using one claim to pay for home broadband, and the other to pay for roaming internet using a ‘dongle’ in their laptop…

    Mountains of of molehills. Or icebergs out of icecubes!?

    • Stakesby Legs May 6, 2012 at 4:37 pm - Reply

      dip dip dip

      my BLUE ship

      sailing on the water

      like Sir B’s daughter

      O-U-T spells OUT!

      • Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm - Reply

        Hi S. Legs, thanks for your lovely poem, my favourite bit was where you rhymed ship with dip 🙂

        Also, regarding my pseudonym; Elur Seirot is actually an anagram of ‘irresolute’ which is how everyone reading this site would feel, if it weren’t for your relentless, marauding propaganda of a town council which has done a great job of rebranding and renovating the town over the last few years. Most Enterprising Town 2009 I believe, among other awards. And Whitney, as a satellite town, is a part of that.

        I will reply to Nigey shortly.

        • Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm - Reply

          Obviously I meant “relentless, marauding propaganda against a town council”

          🙂

  19. Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 12:35 pm - Reply

    There are alot of ‘maybes’ and ‘no doubts’ used in various commentaries and articles across this site. It seems to me that there are a core group of you sensationalising every little detail that you can in an effort to make it sound far worse than it is in reality. Scaremongering the easily led so they hop along for the ride with you.

    You could start your own ‘Free Whitby’ party and attempt to get Nigel into the town hall in the next local election. Then he can start voicing your collective expense conspiracies fears to those higher up. No one will be listening, though, as they will be busy trying to run the town.

    • Tim Thorne May 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm - Reply

      “Then he can start voicing your collective expense conspiracies” 20% of Borough Councillors have been claiming for Broadband from both NYCC and SBC. This is not a conspiracy, this is a matter of fact. If this matter is so utterly trivial then why have none of the Cllrs. come out and sorted this little misunderstanding out? If it was me I would likely have not gotten into that situation in the first place, but if I had, I would pay the money back, educate my fellow Cllrs, encourage them to do the same and have NYCC and SBC streamline their expense policies further. Creating a climate of trust for us to deal with our elected representatives is vital. Leaving smears, stains and bits of dirt is not in anyone’s best interests.

      • Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm - Reply

        Hi Tim. You used some nice metaphors in you comment 🙂

        To save time, I will quote myself from earlier on.
        “As a student I choose to pay for monthly broadband, as well as £36pcm on a phone data contract, both of which are essential for my studies. If I was a Councillor and sat on various bodies, I would definitely require two phones, both for organisation’s sake, and to keep matters separate.”

        It is possible that they are simple claiming for broadband twice to cover the extortionate costs of running two phones, a home internet connection used for work matters, and potentially a roaming 3G internet connection too. That is definitely plausible. Plenty of business owners have phones for each of their interests to keep matters separate, and to ensure everything is properly organised. Why not councilors sitting on numerous councils too?

        Have a nice evening.

        • Tim Thorne May 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm - Reply

          “It is possible that they are simple claiming for broadband twice to cover the extortionate costs of running two phones” Well that’s just plain wrong, they call that fraud in these parts. Cllrs. are already compensated for phone use. Are you saying they aren’t getting enough? If that’s the case then take it up with the remuneration committee. They are stacked full of Conservatives and they’ll be only too happy to give your elected chums a rise.

  20. Ivan Cameron May 6, 2012 at 4:00 pm - Reply

    67.159.5.242

  21. Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 5:56 pm - Reply

    Hi Nigey, I knew you would respond before long.

    I think we both know that a comparison between a small minority of our Councilors legitimately claiming from two pots, when they serve on two bodies, to the great MP expense scandal is a little unfounded.
    The MPs notoriously claimed for things as irrelevant to politics as pornography, the odd dovecote, conservatories etc. The list was near endless.
    On the contrary, (some of) our multi-council councilors have claimed from funds, which were legally available to them (as your replies from the Data Management Officer prove), to allow them go about their work, using the means of technology available to them.
    Pornography vs. phone contract/broadband/iPad – which one is a breach of public trust? I know which I would rather pay taxes towards.

    See above for my comment re “failing to run this town”. Scarborough’s seafront, that which is publicy owned at least, is in great shape. I am not sure about Whitney as I do not visit often. I imagine it is similar though. If not, presumably you, or someone else, have thought about starting a Whitney Harbour Restoration Action Group?
    The end of Scarborough’s Vincent Pier recently subsided quite severely causing a 6 foot hole, someone reported it immediately and the problem was resolved within days. Perhaps the problems you claim to exist in Whitney do not get resolved as you have not reported them to the appropriate person? Maybe the truly caring among you could pop along with a tin of gloss paint and drop a receipt through your Ward’s Cllr door.

    Finally, I can assure you, I am not “one of them”.

    I realise this is irrelevant to this thread, but I can’t seem to comment on the latest potash story… I don’t have a face-book, and I do not want to make one just to comment on this. Are you preventing contrasting arguments?

    • Tim Thorne May 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm - Reply

      “Councilors legitimately claiming from two pots” I’ve not seen anyone claim the payments are legitimate. You’d be the first. None of the Cllrs. who claimed for both Broadband from NYCC and SBC have said anything in the public domain about it. Some are getting £750 a year for Broadband. They’ll be paying out around £250 a year.

  22. kristina pinder May 6, 2012 at 6:45 pm - Reply

    I see you have new contributer to your article on double dipping Nigel, Strange name, and some strange views.
    Why does he/she keep referring to Whitby as Whitney?. And why do you think that Scarborough Council is doing so well?
    As a student, how can you afford to live so well that you can afford to pay broadband and a contract phone? I can only summise that you are not a typical hard up student, well “lucky you”.
    If I could I would call you something not very nice, but to be quite honest I think your intentions for commenting on this article are contrived and ridiculously one sided.

    • Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 6:57 pm - Reply

      As a student I work thorough the holidays to be able to afford phone and internet bills! The ski trips and copious Moet are funded by other means though. The nice loan from the government helps too. I have yet to meet a typical hard up student to be honest…
      To be accused of being ridiculously one sided is laughable. Nigey, Tim and Hofschroeer (no umlaut on my iPhone so I have substituted this for an extra e, I hope you don’t mind Pete) have posted some far more contrived and one sided arguments than I.

  23. Vanda Inman May 6, 2012 at 8:28 pm - Reply

    Its such a hard life being a councillor all work and no play eh Elur? Love it keep it coming ‘Boys’ xx

  24. admin May 6, 2012 at 8:59 pm - Reply

    Don’t feed the moose

    • Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm - Reply

      Admin, what happened to “Ivan”‘s comment? It just shows an IP address… (personal data?)

      • admin May 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm - Reply

        No I was just letting him know that I had detected his use of a proxy server. The same one used by Harold Locker and Terri groves, two posters who claimed to have little knowledge of the world wide web yet they decided to bounce their comments to the site via a proxy in California. I know exactly who they are and theyre beginning to bore me. Think Ill have to be having a word next time I see them. They may be able to hide behind proxies but the same thing becomes evident with each username. After the first few friendly posts, they all revert to type and start having cheap shots at Nigel, similar to yourself infact. They are all the same person, whats worse is they think I came down in the last shower. But thanks for asking, im just working on identifying a few other ip’s used recently too. Can I enquire as to why your interested ? Oh and by the way, if it continues it may go the same way as another web host ive been reading about

        “No, I’ve been there. And got a lawyer who understood it was the same as phone stalking, to slap the guy with a restraining order. Which he violated and was arrested. It’s been quiet since then. So I do understand what you’re dealing with.”

  25. kristina pinder May 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm - Reply

    Elur ..
    What a load of absolute twaddle you talk ! My daughters were hard up when they were at Uni (very) unless someone has wealthy parents to subsidise their studies, which is a very different matter.
    Then you have to pay back your loans, once you have gained your degree, unlike in Scotland where University tuition fees are still free.

    Double dipping, what hope is there for the future generation ? If you and your lot think it is acceptable to fiddle the taxpayer. Perhaps when you are paying your taxes you might think differently, who knows.

  26. admin May 6, 2012 at 10:03 pm - Reply

    Can I just warn the usual posters that this topic is now under attack from trolls. Ive banned a couple but expect more, what I would say is to ignore anyone trying to draw you into an argument. Most of all Dont Feed The Moose.

  27. Elur Seirot May 6, 2012 at 10:52 pm - Reply

    Re University. I work 30-50 hours a week over the summer to fund my lifestyle whilst at uni. Accommodation and food is paid for by my student loan. I don’t struggle, I imagine others would if they didn’t work over summer, or have wealthy parents.

  28. kristina pinder May 6, 2012 at 11:30 pm - Reply

    Ok Admin.. I get your point. ( Wine I am afraid makes me arguementative) One last word Mr ‘Tories Rule’.. You are not living in the real world, nor are you living in a ‘Typical’ student life.. (have no more to say to you)

  29. Mark May 7, 2012 at 12:39 am - Reply

    I realise this is aside from the point of the actual article but Kristina I’m afraid you are a little misguided on your perceptions of Student life, I am only to assume your ideas are from your own children, perhaps hiding their £100 per week alcohol expenses? Being ‘hard up’ comes only as a result of poor money management, if one wants to squander ones maintenance loans and grants on alcohol that is entirely their prerogative, as with everyone, students can be prudent with cash and work hard to support their lifestyle if they so wish.
    Having a soft spot for Whitby it is sad to have corruption rooted in the SBC, but hasn’t this always been the case and in clear view of the public? I feel it is the duty of those enlightened to the truth to act on what is an affront the quality of life of those suffering these injustices. Yet, as has been proven on the highest platform of politics, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of protesters take to the streets over a matter or how persistently we can demand freedom of information we are left no better off than old men grumbling into our copies of the dire piece of left-wing propaganda that is the SEN.
    I also disagree with censorship of comments on these articles as is obvious above, what is the use of a section for opinions and debate over the matter at hand if views conflicting with the article are not allowed; at best they have been manipulated to discredit the poster!

  30. admin May 7, 2012 at 8:47 am - Reply

    Some interesting points there Mark, you certainly got me thinking. On a personal level Im quite cheesed off with politics. The more I read the politics section of this site, the less I feel its something I would want to get involved with. We have many individuals making up false accounts to make themseleves appear supported in their views and we have many people calling for me to edit out anything they dont like the sound of. Personally I’m beginning to think the site would be far better if I binned the politics section completely. Its about time some people grew up a little.

    • Tim Thorne May 7, 2012 at 1:01 pm - Reply

      Good to see the likes and dislikes gone. I thought they did little to encourage people with different viewpoints to comment.

      • admin May 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm - Reply

        I listened to what you said in your email Tim and I fully agreed. Anyone who posted a different point of view was getting hammered. Hence the comment rating is now gone and wont be back unless I can think of a way to make them work better for the site.

        • Anthony Littlewood May 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm - Reply

          You have more of a problem than the rating system with this site. Everytime anyone offers an opinion that differs from Nigel Ward all hell breaks loose. If you are ever going to foster debate on the site you must stop this. Also you rely too much on Nigel for your articles. Ration him to one a fortnight and pick his better ones. Some are great but some just look like splitting hairs. Moaning for moaning’s sake, which undermines all his good work.Get a grip of him, Channel him to get the best from him, or carry on as normal and risk loosing your readers.

          • admin May 8, 2012 at 6:57 pm - Reply

            I find it quite amusing, but also quite annoying that everyone seems to think they know how to run the site better than it already is. I rarely get involved in the political debate as I find it somewhat depressing. I would agree that at times we are too hard on people who come with a different point of view. Ont that, i admit, we must improve. Having said that there are a couple of people I do not want to accept comments from on the site and it is those I am trying to keep out. As already stated, I know exactly who they are and they have overstepped the mark by sending me dozens of unwanted emails (An intrusion on my privacy)and by making up false user accounts and posting via proxy ip’s in an attempt to deceive me and of course our site readers. Other than them, I welcome all comers and will attempt to allow everyone to have their say. That is a tough call at times as I also get pressure to delete/edit some comments too. With respect to the current state of play. The site just had its busiest 30 days since we started, with almost 18,000 unique people coming to the site. So we cant be getting it all wrong.

          • admin May 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm - Reply

            Ull second that Peter. Also its funny how these people who think the site is so bad are trying every means possible to be part of it. Why ??

  31. kristina pinder May 7, 2012 at 10:50 am - Reply

    Just one more comment for Mark, my daughters finished University 3 years ago, and at times they struggled, like everyone else does. My point is that there was no need for them to have broadband and an internet phone contract, they could not afford it, they bought books etc with any spare money they had. I am sure if they recieved as much as Councillors do they would have loved to have both.And yes they partied, but only for te first year (don’t they all?)

    I am from Scarborough, and never realised just how corrupt this town,and my Estates Councils are. But some of us are trying to do something about it, our efforts may not get very far, but we are making a few of them feel very uncomfortable at the moment, and we will continue to do so for the length of time it takes to find out the truth of what is actually happening inside the councils.

    Please do not do away with the politics section Admin, I have learnt a lot from reading the points ( the honest ones) on this site.

  32. sharon wilson May 27, 2012 at 2:52 am - Reply

    corruption appears endemic in yorkshire despite roger bakers hmic it isnt.robert francis qc is concerned by the conduct of northyorkshire police and york district.using the harrassment act to pervert justice.it appears persecution campaigns are endemic to vunerable adults,the government turning a blindeye.

  33. sw May 27, 2012 at 8:22 am - Reply

    why do police cover up for nhs?it is in the public interest the doh should be criminally investigated into neédless deaths.turning a blindeye .professor donaldson ex chief medical officer neglected me.he is friends with york doctors!says it all.chair patient safety.hes also chair of who.hypocritical.he isnt saving patients there dying!

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